Tuesday, April 04, 2006

Thrice is enemy action

A month ago whilst listening to the radio I heard a news broadcast saying that in the midlands a young probationary police woman had been shot . 'What another one?' I thought to myself. When eventually the culprit was apprehended and their image was shown I was struck with a feeling of 'deja vu': another police officer shot by what I will describe as a 'ethnic immigrant'. Then a quote suddenly sprung to mind - 'Thrice is enemy action' (which is actually a small misquote from the original "Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times is enemy action" by the author Ian Fleming from the book Goldfinger).

Was my feeling of deja vu correct? with only the Internet as my trusty research tool I decided to find out. My voyage of discovery sadly became another piece of evidence to substantiate my recently formed political views. The facts revealed that over the last 10 years over 50% of all police officers murdered have been done so by 'ethnic immigrants'; this figure has been growing for at least the last 21 years; and the trend is ever upwards.

First stop on my research was the www.policememorial.org.uk web site.

This gave several useful pages:
1) Listing UK police officers who have died in the line of duty: see...

2) Listing UK police officers killed as a result of crimnal acts: see...

3) Listing UK police officers killed in the line of duty by criminal acts since 1900, broken down by Year, Rank, Name, Force, Method, Incident, Court result-outcome: see...

Other useful web sites included:
The Scottish Police Memorial Trust

While several newspapers had articals listing Police Officers murdered:
The Guardian: Police killed in line of duty
The Daily Mirror: RISING TOLL OF OFFICERS DYING ON DUTY
The Scotsman: In the line of duty: 55 officers killed since 1980 2003 January 16th

The details of each of the 35 police officers murdered since 1985 are below presented in reverse chronological order from 2005 to 1985, followed by some analysis and comments
In each case the unquoted wording is mainly from www.policememorial.org.uk.
The date of murder may be marked as follows:
With a * the murderer was an 'ethnic immigrant'.
With a ?* the murderer may have been an 'ethnic immigrant'.


PC Rachael Bown
2006
shot by

Trevon Thomas
  

Though, to start at the beginning, the police officer who was nearly murdered on the 14th February in Nottingham was Rachael Bown, and the bag of scum who shot her was a one Trevon Thomas; see Airport arrest after Pc shooting (BBC).


Police officers murdered from 1995 to 2006

2005 November 18th *
WPC Sharon Beshenivsky (aged 38) murdered by Mustaf Jama (accompliced by Yusaf Jama, and Muzzaker Shah). [Black/Asian/Arab]
West Yorkshire Police

PC Sharon Beshenivsy
2005
murdered
by

Mustaf Jama

Yusaf Jama

Muzzake Sha

While responding with a colleague (WPC Teresa Millburn) to a personal attack alarm at a travel agency in Bradford, the officers were confronted by three armed robbers leaving the premises, Sharon was shot in the chest and killed and her colleague injured.
Sharon is survived by her husband, two sons aged 12 and 7 years, her daughter who was four years old that day, a stepdaughter aged 14 and stepson aged 11 years.

"...was shot dead during an armed raid at a travel agency in Bradford..."
From:
Calls received over Pc shooting (BBC).

2004 May 21st *
DC Michael Swindells (aged 44) murdered by Glaister Butler [Black]
West Midlands Police

DC Michael Swindells
2004
murdered
by

Glaister Butler
  

Following a report of a man with a knife in the Nechells area of Birmingham, DC Swindells responded to assist other officers chasing a suspect; the unarmed detective chased the man along a narrow path near a canal and as he attempted to arrest the suspect, he was stabbed in the abdomen and fatally wounded. A 48 year old man was arrested and charged with murder; he was subsequently convicted of manslaughter and was ordered to be held indefinitely under the Mental Health Act.

"...Jamaican-born..."
From:
From graduate to police killer (BBC - with silly artists impression).

"...was fatally stabbed..."
From:
Police killer held indefinitely (BBC - with real photo).

2003 December 26th
PC Ian Broadhurst (aged 34) murdered by David Bieber [American]
West Yorkshire Police

PC Ian Broadhurst
2003
murdered
by

David Bieber
  

The officer and a colleague were on patrol in Leeds when they checked a man in a car, which was found to be stolen and on false number plates. As they and a third officer attempted to arrest the suspect, he suddenly produced a handgun and fired several shots, hitting all three officers; his colleague was severely wounded and Constable Broadhurst was shot in the body and head and killed.

Bieber was a drug dealer from the USA.

"...murder of Pc Ian Broadhurst..."
From:
Police killer begins life in jail(BBC)

2003 January 14th *
DC Stephen Oake (aged 40) murdered by Kamel Bourgass [Arab]
Greater Manchester Police

DC Stephen Oake
2003
murdered
by

Kamel Bourgass
  

While engaged with other officers in an anti-terrorist operation at premises in North Manchester, one of three suspects who had been detained at the premises suddenly broke free and attacked the officers with a large knife, injuring several of them; in assisting his colleagues Constable Oake was stabbed in the chest and fatally wounded and died soon afterwards.

"...stabbed to death a policeman..."
From:
Killer jailed over poison plot (BBC).

"...he was only in the UK because of a chaotic asylum system..."
From:
Apology over police officer death (BBC).

2003 January 9th
PC Ged (Gerald) Walker (aged 42) murdered by David Parfitt (aged 25)[English]
Nottinghamshire Police

PC Ged Walker
2003
murdered
by

David Parfitt
  

On 7 January after a stolen car was abandoned in Bulwell, Nottingham, the officer, a dog handler, gave chase on foot with his dog; he attempted to arrest the suspect as he drove away in another car, the officer was dragged along the road by the car and suffered serious head injuries from which he later died.

David Parfitt (a druggy) a 25 year old man was charged with murder but convicted of manslaughter for which he was sentenced to 12 years imprisonment.

"...ignored a police officer's pleas..."
From:
Man jailed for police killing (BBC).

2002 August 15th *
PC Bryan Moore (aged 39) murdered by Leayon Dudley [Black]
PC Andrew Munn (aged 37) murdered by Leayon Dudley [Black]
Leicestershire Police

PC Bryan Moore
2002
murdered
by

Leayon Dudley (1 - BBC)

 

PC Andrew Munn
2002
murdered
by

Leayon Dudley (2 - Telegraph)
  

The officers were together in a lay-by on the A42 near Worthington, preparing to assist in stopping a speeding vehicle that had been pursued by police from Solihull in the West Midlands, in the early hours. The suspect, who was drunk, deliberately rammed their police vehicle, PC Munn was killed instantly and PC Moore died later in hospital.

A 38 year old male was convicted of murder and sentenced to life imprisonment, this was overturned on appeal and at a retrial he pleaded guilty to manslaughter and was sentenced to 14 years imprisonment.

"...the car exploded in a fireball, killing the two officers..."
From:
Police death drunk driver jailed (BBC).

"...killed two police officers..."
From:
Driver who killed Pcs escapes murder trial (Telegraph).

2001 October 4th *
PC Malcolm Walker (aged 46) murdered by Nicolas Walters [Black]
West Midlands Police

PC Malcolm Walker
2001
murdered
by

Nicholas Walters
  

While on routine patrol on a police motorcycle he attempted to stop a car that had driven through a red light at Perry Barr; the vehicle, which had recently been stolen, deliberately rammed the officer's machine with such force it was thrown over railings causing him multiple and fatal injuries.

A 23 year old man was convicted of murder and sentenced to life imprisonment.

"...I'm going to kill him like I killed that copper..."
From:
Driver 'bragged about killing' policeman (BBC).

"...showed absolutely no remorse at all..."
From:
Driver jailed over PC death (BBC).

"...helped steal a car which was later used to chase a police motorcyclist to his death..."
From:
Two jailed for aiding police killer (BBC).

2001 March 5th
PC Alison Armitage (aged 29) murdered by Thomas Whaley [English?]
Greater Manchester Police

PC Alison Armitage
2001
murdered
by

Thomas Whaley
  

While on plain clothes duty keeping observation on a stolen car in Oldham, a suspect returned to the vehicle and, in attempting to stop him driving away she went to the rear of the car, which reversed and knocked her down then ran over her causimg multiple injuries from which she later died.

An 18 year old man was charged with murder but convicted of manslaughter and sentenced to 8 years imprisonment.

"...ran over and killed a woman police constable..."
From:
WPC's killer jailed (BBC).

"...repeatedly drove over the 29-year-old officer..."
From:
Killed in the line of duty, but not forgotten (Oldham Advertiser).

2000 December 19th
PC Jon Odell (aged 30) murdered by Wayne Rule [English?]
Kent County Police

PC Jon Odell

2000
murdered
by

Wayne Rule
  

While engaged in road traffic checks at Margate just after midnight, wearing reflective clothing he attempted to stop a speeding vehicle, the driver ignored his signal and the car struck the officer about 50mph causing massive internal injuries, which proved to be fatal.

A 24 year old man was charged with murder but convicted of manslaughter and sentenced to 9 years imprisonment and 15 years disqualification.

"...manslaughter of a traffic officer..."
From:
Driver jailed for killing traffic Pc (BBC).

1999 August 31st
PC Raja Ahmed (aged 35) murdered by ? [English?]
Greater Manchester Police

PC Raja Ahmed
1999
murdered
by

?
  

While on motorcycle patrol the officer was rammed by a stolen car he had stopped for a routine check at Miles Platting; his police motorcycle was deliberately shunted into a busy road junction where he was struck by a lorry and fatally injured.

1999 April 25th
PC Jeffrey Tooley (aged 26) murdered by ? [English?]
Sussex Police

PC Jeffrey Tooley
1999
murdered
by

?
  

A traffic patrol officer, he was struck by a speeding van which failed to stop, on the night of 24 April, when he was carrying out routine speed checks at Shoreham, and he died as a result of the serious head injuries he received.

1999 May 17th ?*
PC Stephen Jones (aged 34) murdered by ? [English?]
Avon and Somerset Police

PC Stephen Jones
1999
murdered
by

?
  

During the pursuit of a stolen vehicle on the M48 motorway near Bristol, the officer deployed a 'Stinger' spike strip in front of the vehicle to stop it but it swerved towards him as he stood on the motorway hard shoulder and he was struck and killed.

"...died while attempting to stop a hit-and-run driver on the M4 motorway..."
From:
Prime Minister honours police officer (BBC).

1997 October 24th *
WPC Nina Mackay (aged 25) murdered by Magdi Elgizouli [Black]
Metropolitan Police

PC Nina Mackay
1997
murdered
by

Magdi Elguzouli
  

As a member of a Territorial Support Group she forced entry to a dwelling flat at Stratford, in order to arrest a violent and deranged wanted man, whereupon she was stabbed in the chest and fatally wounded.

"...was stabbed as she went to arrest Elgizouli..."
From:
Man admits manslaughter of WPC (BBC).

1995 April 18th *
PC Phillip Walters (aged 28) murdered by Ray Lee [Black]
Metropolitan Police

PC Philip Walters
1995
murdered
by

Ray Lee
  

The trainee officer attended a disturbance at a house in Ilford, north east London, where he was confronted by three men; during a violent struggle to arrest one of them he had managed to apply one handcuff, when he was shot in the chest and fatally wounded.

"...murdered by a Yardie gangster..."
From:
Day my partner was killed (Evening Standard).

"...Ray Lee the assumed name of a man thought to be Jamaican..."
From:
'Criminals will think its worth trying to shoot their way out if sentences are so light' (Telegraph).

"...an illegal immigrant from Jamaica..."
From:
Anger as Pc's killer is cleared of murder (Telegraph).

"...killer has been successful in his bid to win compensation for a gold toothcap..."
Killer gets compensaton for damaged tooth (BBC).

1995 December 13th *
PC George Hammond (aged 58) murdered by Christopher Ogleton [Black]
Metropolitan Police

PC George Hammond
1995/1985
murdered
by

Christopher Ogleton
  

Stabbed in the stomach in a near fatal attack, when attempting to arrest an armed robber in Dulwich on 23 January 1985; he subsequently died ten years later of heart disease, from complications which followed the severe wounds he sustained.

"...stabbed in the stomach with a foot-long carving knife as he grappled with West Indian Christopher Ogleton... ...he needed 120 pints of blood before doctors could stitch his wounds. He suffered acute kidney problems for ten years before eventually dying of his injuries..."
From:
thefallenlist.blogspot.com (The Fallen List).

1994 June 17th
PC Lewis Fulton (aged 28) murdered by Philip McFadden [Scottish?]
Strathclyde Police

PC Lewis Fulton

1994 murdered
by

Philip McFadden
  

Lewis Fulton was killed on 17 June 1994 as he and several other officers struggled with a mentally deranged man on a Glasgow (Gorbals) street in the middle of a busy afternoon. Lewis had responded from a neighbouring division to assist his colleagues. As the man attempted to break out of their cordon towards a busy shopping area, Lewis and other officers tackled him, and during a violent struggle he was fatally stabbed

Web site run by Lewis Fulton's widow at www.ukcops.org.

1994 February 9th ?*
Sgt Derek Robertson (aged 39) murdered by ? [English?]
Metropolitan Police

PC Derek Robertson

1994 murdered
by

? in Croydon
  

Sgt Derek Robertson, 39, was stabbed to death at New Addington, Croydon, south London, as he tackled a suspect while investigating a robbery at a sub-post office.
Awarded a Queen's Gallantry Medal in 1996.

"...stabbed to death at the scene of a robbery at a sub-post office in Croydon..."
From: www.publications.parliament.uk

1993 *
PC Patrick Dunne (aged 44) murdered by Gary Nelson [Black]
Metropolitan Police

PC Patrick Dunne
1993
murdered
by

Gary Nelson
  

Died in a hail of bullets from an armed gang in Clapham, south west London.

"...member of a wicked gang of laughing assassins..."
From:
No evidence from murder accused (BBC).

"...shot in the chest..."
From:
Pc killer jailed for 1993 murders (BBC).

1993 March Date
Sgt Bill (William) Forth (aged 34) murdered by Paul Weddle and Philip English [English?]
Northumberia Police

Sgt Bill Forth
1993
murdered
by

Paul Weddle

Philip English
 

Sergeant Bill Forth, above, was on duty in Gateshead in March 1993 when he was stabbed while making an arrest.

"...was beaten and stabbed to death after answering a routine call to a disturbance in Clover Hill, Sunniside, Gateshead..."
From:
Memorial park to murdered officer (BBC).

"...Paul Weddle, of Gateshead, and Philip English, of Sunniside, were convicted of his murder but English, just 15 at the time, had his sentence quashed at the High Court in 1997..."
From: Blue beacon of courage (icnewcastle).

1992 June 7th
SC Glenn Goodman (aged 37) murdered by IRA [Irish]
North Yorkshire Police

SC Glenn Goodman
1992
murdered
by

IRA
  

While on mobile patrol with a regular officer, they were questioning two men in a car in the early hours on the A64 near Tadcaster when, without warning, both officers were shot and he was fatally wounded.
Posthumously awarded the Queen's Commendation for Brave Conduct. A memorial stone was erected at the scene by the Police Memorial Trust.

"...Glenn was killed on the A64 at Tadcaster by an IRA gunman in June 1992..."
From:
Goodman parents call to arm police (BBC).

1991 December 13th *
DC James Morrison (aged 26) murdered by immigrant [Arab/Black]
Metropolitan Police

DC James Morrison
1991
murdered
by

Algerian immigrant
  

Stabbed to death while attempting arrest in the Aldwych, West End, London.

"...Morrison, a detective constable with the Met, was off-duty when he spotted a handbag thief. He gave chase but was stabbed to death. The black murderer was pursued and pinned down by a white member of the public in a nearby tube station, but he was attacked and pulled off by bystanders who assumed it was a racist attack. The murderer, free, then ran off. The incident was featured on 'CrimeWatch.' Police believe the murderer was an Algerian who has since fled the country..."
From: thefallenlist.blogspot.com (The Fallen List).

1991 November ?*
Sgt Alan King (aged ?) murdered by Nicholas Vernage [English? or Black?]
Metropolitan Police

Sgt Alan King
1991
murdered
by

Nicholas Vernage
  

The Father of four Stabbed checking suspect in Highham Hill, east London

"...Vernage, who kept a picture of police officers in his house which he regularly attacked with a screwdriver, was arrested when two other policemen spotted his car in Norwood, south London, on the same day..."
From:
Hero Policeman Remembered (www.thisislocallondon.co.uk).

1991 March
PC Duncan Clift (aged 27) murdered by ? [English]
Kent Police

PC Duncan Clift
1991
murdered
by

?
  

"...run down and fatally injured trying to stop a stolen car while off duty..."
From:
Police Memorial Trust - Local Memorials (www.policememorial.org.uk).

"...killed when he was run over as he tried to prevent the theft of a high performance car in Hexham, Northumberland..."
From:
In the line of duty: 55 officers killed since 1980 (The Scotsman).

1991 December ?*
PC Robert Gladwell (aged 35) murdered by ? [English? or Black?]
Metropolitan Police

PC Robert Gladwell
1991
murdered
by

? in Paddington
  

Died from injuries received when struck on the head while making an arrest during a brawl at a Hotel in Paddington, west London.

"...in December 1990, PC Robert Gladwell, 35, was battered to death in a brawl at a west London hotel..."
From:
Police killed in line of duty (The Guardian).

1990 August 28th *
PC Laurence Brown (aged 27) murdered by Mark Gaynor [Black]
Metropolitan Police

PC Laurence Brown
1990
murdered
by

Mark Gaynor
  

Shot dead with a sawn-off shotgun as he approached a suspect in an ambush at Hackney, east London after answering a routing 999 call.

"...Gaynor shot him dead at point-blank range with a sawn-off shotgun..."
From:
thefallenlist.blogspot.com (The Fallen List).

1989 September 14th
Insp Raymond Codling (aged 49) murdered by ? [English?]
Greater Manchester Police

Insp Raymond Codling
1989
murdered
by

?
  

Shot dead by a suspect he was questioning in the early hours.

"...event was held in memory of police inspector Ray Codling who was shot and killed at Birch Service Station on the M62..."
From:
ATHLETICS: Challenge for Harriers (archive.thisislancashire.co.uk).

1989 April 16th
PC Anthony Salt (aged 29) murdered by ? [English?]
West Midlands Police

PC Tony Salt
1989
murdered
by

?

?

?

Beaten to death on surveillance duty in Bordesley Green, Birmingham.

"...killed on 16th April 1989, just three days before my third birthday..."
From:
books.dreambook.com.

"...circumstances surrounding the death of his colleague, PC Tony Salt..."
"...Peter Gibbs, Mark Samuels and Tony Frances on charges of murdering PC Tony Salt..."
From www.publications.parliament.uk.

1988 December 19th
PC Gavin Carlton (aged 29) murdered by David Fisher (who thankfully killed himself saving many a tax payers pound) [English?]
West Midlands Police

PC Gavin Carlton
1988
murdered
by

David Fisher
  

Shot chasing suspect in Coventry.

"...was killed by a man armed with a sawn-off shotgun as he sat in his Panda car..."
From:
MEMORIAL SERVICE FOR POLICEMAN (www.birmingham101.com).

"...was murdered in Coventry on 19 December 1988 by a bank robber using a sawn-off shotgun..."
From:
Stabbed officer joins list of heroes (BBC).

1988 April 14th
PC Frank Mason (aged 27) murdered by James Hurley [English]
Hertfordshire Police

PC Frank Mason
1988
murdered
by

James Hurley
  

Shot dead when he intervened in an armed robbery while off duty in Hemel Hempstead, Heartfordshire.
Posthumously awarded the Queen's Gallantry Medal.

"...PC Mason was shot by robbers in 1988..."
From:
www.herts.police.uk

"...Scotland Yard is still searching for murderer James Francis Hurley..."
From:
www.police999.com

"...shooting an off-duty police officer..."
From:
New appeal over escaped murderer (BBC).

1987 August 19th
PC Roger Bereton murdered by Michael Ryan [English]
Thames Valley police

PC Roger Bereton
1987
murdered
by

Michael Ryan
  

Shot checking suspect

"...and PC Roger Brereton were the first police officers to try and tackle Ryan..."
From:
How a gun massacre changed Britain (BBC).

1987 ?*
PC Ronan McCloskey by ? [English? or Black?]
Metropolitan Police

PC Ronan McCloskey
1987
murdered
by

? in Willesden
  

Killed when a drunk driver drove off with him clinging to the car and crashed at Willesden.

"...who was killed in 1987 as he tried to stop a drunk driver in Willesden, north London..."
From:
National police memorial unveiled (BBC).

1987 February
PC Ian Woodward murdered by ? [English]
Lancashire Police

PC Ian Woodward
1987
murdered
by

?
  

Was shot dead when checking an armed suspect (poacher in woods) while off duty at Chorley, Lancashire.

1986 November 23rd
PC John Taylor (aged 26) murdered by ? [English]
Staffordshire Police

PC John Taylor
1986
murdered
by

?
  

Fatally injured when pushed from a building while arresting a burglar.

1985 *
PC Keith Blakelock possibly murdered by Winston Silcott [Black]
Metropolitan Police

PC Keith Blakelock
1985
possibly
murdered
by

Winston Silcott
  

Brutally beaten, hacked and stabbed to death by a large mob of 'ethnic immigrants' during rioting at Broadwater Farm housing estate, Tottenham, north London.
Awarded QGM

"...was hacked to death..."
From:
Blakelock's sons 'to sue Silcott' (BBC).

1985
DC John Fordham murdered by Kenneth Noye
Metropolitan Police

PC John Fordham
1985
murdered
by

Kenneth Noye
  

Died from multiple stab wounds received when attacked whilst on surveillance duty in Kingsdown, Kent.

"...stabbing to death Detective Constable John Fordham..."
From:
Murderer Noye's life of crime (BBC).



Analysis and comments

The following table summerises the murder under these columns:

Year: Year of murder(s).
Total: The total number of murders for that year.
By Ethnic: Murders commited, or possibly commited, by 'ethnic immigrants'.
% by Ethnic over 10 year period: The percentage of murders commited by 'ethnic immigrants' for the given year and up to the previous nine years (but not before the year 1985).

For example:
The 2005 percentage covers the period 1996 to 2005.
The 1990 percentage covers the period 1985 to 1990.

Notes:
In four years (involving five murders) it is possible that an 'ethnic immigrant' was responsible and these murders have been given a weighting of 0.5.
1999 0.5 for Stephen Jones' murder
1994 0.5 for Derek Robertson's murder.
1991 0.5 for Alan King's murder.
1991 0.5 for Robert Gladwell's murder.
1987 0.5 for Ronann McCloskey's murder.



YearTotalBy Ethnic% by Ethnic over 10 year period
20051153.6
20041156.7
20033150.0
20022253.3
20012146.2
20001040.0
199930.546.7
19980046.4
19971140.6
19960033.3
19952231.6
199420.527.8
19932126.5
19920 (1*)023.3
19914 (5*)123.3
19901122.7
19892015.0
19882018.7
198730.525.0
19861033.3
19852150.0
Total3514.544.3 (over the 21 year period)
* Excluded:
1992  1 murdered by IRA
1991 1 road accident?


What can one say. The figures speak for themselves, just as they did in a previous posting 'Racist' murders - who are the bad guys?. One group of the population of this country are vastly disproportionately responsible for the murder of Police officers.

It may not be right to say this is just the tip of the iceberg. Though if these figures are just for the Police officers who actually died, what of those who were seriously injured and nearly died: does this current high percentage figure of 53.6% still hold true.

Perhaps someone can quite happily read this post and say 'So what'. What does it matter that during the last 10 years between 7 and 8 Police officers were murdered by 'ethnic immigrants', when the population of this country is over 60 million people. They may say that these deaths are just a tiny drop in the ocean and of no significance or importance at all.

My retort to this would be the following: then what do the deaths of Steven Lawrence, and Anthony Walker matter to anyone?

A final irony.
Below is a image from the ground breaking ceremony for tha National Police Memorial from The National Police Memorial.

20 Comments:

Anonymous Charlie Chuck said...

Where's the irony in the final photo?

Normal decent English people don't share your morbid hatred of all black people.

10:09 PM  
Blogger TottenhamLad said...

Charlie Chuck,

Thank you for gracing my blog with a comment.

1) I do not have a morbid hatred of anyone.

2) If you read the whole post the irony would be implicit.

3) Care to make a comment about the actual main content of the post?

4:25 PM  
Anonymous Doug said...

Fine, you have some statistics together.

Now prove there's a correlation. Because you have not done this. You claim that the murderers' state of being 'ethnic immigrants' has something to do with their actions. Your have given nothing to back this up.

3:05 PM  
Blogger British National Party member said...

Tottenham lad, if you don't mind ill link to this post?

Doug, your being wilfully ignorant.

Im not normally insulting like that, and certainly not on the first post i make to a blog, but when i see a man with his fingers in his ears as a bomb ticks just going "nyanya nya nya nya, i cant hear it", which is the physical equivalent of your words, I weep.

3:36 PM  
Blogger TottenhamLad said...

BNP member

Be my guest.

Doug

At the momment the figure is over 50%

How high does it have to get before there is a
'correlation' for you personally 60% 70% 80% 90% 100%?

4:41 PM  
Blogger fido said...

Good post, lots of data and (being a cynical bastard myself I double checked a few figures and yep your right) facts on the tragic murder of the police by ethnics of various types.

Cool blog by the way and I've blog rolled your site as I enjoyed the read. Look forward to your next post,


Fido

8:39 PM  
Anonymous Doug said...

Being against immigration is fine, being against 'ethnic immigrants' (a meaningless term, as everybody can be defined by their ethnic origin) is your own choice based on your own emotions.

But using statistics badly to support your case - that's just pseudoscience and does nothing to support your point. It doesn't matter if 50% or 80% of murders of police officers are comitted by one (highly artificial and very fuzzy) grouping - the correlation still has to be proved and other factors allowed for. That's statistical science - and it's incredibly useful because it allows us to have the possibility of a discussion based upon a common ground of objective (more or less) evidence.

And stops shots like 'willfully ingnorant'!

9:46 PM  
Anonymous AgainsTTheWall said...

It would be interesting to take this further and examine the proportion of murders amongst the general population committed by ethnics over the last 50 years. I suspect that they would reveal that much of the dramatic increase in the murder rate in this period can be laid at the feet of knife-wielding, gun-toting immigrants.

9:00 AM  
Anonymous Doug said...

Could well be, againstthewall - but there's one statistic that leaps out from the list presented here and is found in survey after survey of this type - even allowing for other factors.

The murderers are MEN, regardless of origin.

So obviously none of the readers of this blog will be against female 'ethnic immigrants', and I am sure that everybody agrees that measures should be taken to control all men, regardless of origin. Because it is an undeniable fact that nearly ALL killers of police officers are MEN.

Why isn't the government doing something about this? Faced with such undeniable evidence, they just retreat into their liberal platitudes and DO NOTHING.

10:31 AM  
Blogger British National Party member said...

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2:04 PM  
Blogger British National Party member said...

Thats just a silly argument, oft repeated for lack of better ones.

Doug, the presence of of men is natural and necessary. Immigrants are unnatural and unecessary and cause great problems.

2:06 PM  
Anonymous Doug said...

I was being ironic (if that's the word). The dangers of positing a correlation without any evidence to show that there is one leads to all kinds of assumptions. As I said, you might think that 'immigrants are unnatural (?) and unnecessary...', but this list is not any kind of proof.

There's also a problem with the list on the blog - some of the murders were commited by people here illegally - that means that they were not 'ethnic immigrants' and should not be listed as such on the list.

Another problem is that a bunch of those listed as 'ethnic immigrants' might have been born in the UK - it's not clear at all from the the reports on their cases. That means that some were not 'ethnic immigrants'.

And of course giving a 50% probability that some of the uncaught perpetrators were immigrants skews the results more.

And those are just some problems with the data - without going into the correlation thingy.

To make clear, I am not commenting on the virtues or vices of immigration, I am suggesting that this list shows nothing either way.

11:03 PM  
Anonymous Charlie Chuck said...

Tottenhamlad wrote:

"If you read the whole post the irony would be implicit."

Once again, where is the irony in the photograph of the national police memorial ceremony?

3:40 PM  
Blogger Laban said...

Home office stats on race and homicide for England and Wales are here, table 3.6

http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs05/s95race04.pdf

Over three years 2001-2004 there were 38 homicides of blacks, 28 of Asians, and 22 of 'other' where the principal suspect was white. For blacks the figures were 87 homicides of whites, 12 of Asians, 11 'other', for Asians 37 homicides of whites, 7 of blacks and 6 of 'other', for 'other' 29 homicides of whites, 4 black, one Asian.

Ethic minorities (home office definitions) account for approx 19% of E&W homicides.

out of 2,605 homicides (table 3.6) committed over a three year period, 495 were cases where the principal suspect was described as black, Asian or 'other'.

Given that the minority population is about 10%, you could theorise that the propensity to kill is about twice as high.


However bear in mind that the English/Welsh rate (16 homicides per million population per year, 13 if you ignore ethnic minorities) is exactly half the rate of the country that currently governs England. The Scots rate, at 27 homicides per million, would appear to be up there with the 'ethnic' rate.

And I believe the most dangerous place to live in the whole UK is not Peckham or Tower Hamlest, but the hideously white Easterhouse estate in Glasgow.

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Here's my take - even though I don't, and will never tolerate violence on the basis of race, the fact is that historically, white people have killed more blacks than otherwise. You complain that the facilities are taken up by black people, leaving out the fact that these facilities are built on the sweat and backs of these same black people. You owe, and you're paying, and you're shocked to find out that your entire glass castle is built on cards. Have you even checked the number of black people killed in police custody? Do the numbers measure up?

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